Wednesday, September 20, 2006

Blinded by the Right

I'm in the middle of a religious "discussion" with the nice folks over at jarheadjohn2.blogspot.com. JarHead John posted a short piece <http://jarheadjohn2.blogspot.com/2006/09/religion-of-peace-continues-to-show.html> on the failing of Islam and how it promotes violence.

My point, which elicited a rather self-righteous (an error-filled) response is that until recently, christianity couldn't claim a much better record - in fact, its may be worse. Just a cursory review of the big hitters (the Crusades and the Inquisitions) would give any reader the heebie-jeebies about the christian religion backed by force of law.

However, it appears that self-righteousness and ignorance knows no bounds. I am simply amazed at how people convince themselves that their belief systems are different. More subtlety, some people don't even realize that it's only because they have adopted some enlightened (i.e. - non-faith based positions) that they themselves are not frothing fundamentalists. Even with their reliance on convenient aspects of modernality, they still claim that we need more "faith" to bring the country back on track.

For how else does the modern day Christian get around the edicts of his doctrines than by recognizing that modern ethics, morality and science are more "true" than the word of god?

Case in point, although most Christians haven't even read the text they consider the word of god, some know the Ten Commandments. How do Christians get around the punishments for breaking them? They are fairly clear: most involve stoning the transgressor to death.

Additionally, how does a Christian even explain the 10th commandment - the one that admonishes us to repsect the ownership of our neighbor's slaves?

Even an adolescent-level application of logic tells you that most of the old testament was written by a tribe that used the "god told me to do it" refrain to justify horrible acts of genocide, rape, incest and war... However, these moderates have selectively turned off the reason switch when it comes to matters of faith - they say something like "yeah, there's some bad stuff in the bible and I don't believe it, but the rest is the inspired word of god!"

These same people trust in modern science, engineering and "progress" in general to improve their lives. But when issues of morality and ethics are raised we apparently haven't learned anything since the bronze age.

And here's the problem: we give space to these people and their opinions in the name of "tolerance" when their position is about as rational as the man who stands on the corner telling anyone who'll listen how he was abducted by aliens and that they are coming back next week to give us all a ride around the solar system. Both are nuts... and neither realizes it.

11 comments:

skip sievert said...

Christians are losers.
So are all the other belief system flunkies.
Brainwashed.

Reign of Reason said...

And the brainwashing wasn't difficult. People fall for this stuff like lemmings.

Anonymous said...

I had made a similar argument on another thread of Jarhead John's blog. I essentially said that the rhetoric of the Christian religion shouldn't be used in our current conflict with Islam and that the war on terror isn't a war for Christianity, but should be a war for freedom--for everyone, even athiests. Instead of being treated with references and polite discussion, insults against me and my recently deceased father were used from a so-called Christian.

skip sievert said...

I am sorry to hear that Sarabeth. These belief systems seem to torture people. There is no such thing as a war for freedom. It makes more sense to laugh at people and ridicule them and not to cooperate than to have a war. War is fake. It is only a way for the paper pushers to make money.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

The guy uses the Jarhead monniker for a reason. Attempting to have an intelligent discussion with bigots is futile.

Anonymous said...

II-it was not the author of the blog who insulted me. He came to my defense in that particular argument. John is a good man. He has proven that to me many times although he disagrees with me on many contentious issues.

skip sievert said...

Cute picture Sarabeth. That must be the Atlantic.?

Anonymous said...

Gulf of Mexico

skip sievert said...

What ever body of water it is , it makes a nice frame for your attractive southern face.

Za said...

Actually, the thing I find interesting is the fact that the Bali bombers want to be beheaded rather than shot by firing squad got more coverage than the fact that they just executed a bunch of Christian militants.

And the people who rant about the long history of Muslim terrorism fail to bother to look at the fact that over the same time period, Christians killed more people (look at Efrain Rios Montt, who had US evangelicals ecstatic during the 80s).

It's not a religiously motivated thing - it's political with a religious smokescreen. Even the crusades were the same; land grabs and wealth securement for lords with too many children. The Pope had to go out of his way to justify crusades, creating a special loophole to allow it (and subsequently the Vatican gained a hell of a lot of wealth).

Reign of Reason said...

Sarabeth -- I've had similar retorts from so called "christians". None that I know actually follow he teachings of christ -- or try to use jesus as an example. They all like to point to the writings of Paul when justifying their war-mongering positions and "eye-for-an-eye" rhetoric.

They don't even see the problem...