Friday, July 27, 2007

How to artfully dodge the issue

Not Exactly Responsive

Bush deserves some credit for acknowledging some of the criticisms that have been leveled against the White House position on Iraq. Typically Bush has either ignored or badly mischaracterized his critics. Yesterday, however, Bush did a creditable job of describing some of the charges against him.

For instance, Bush said: "Some say that Iraq is not part of the broader war on terror. They complain when I say that the al-Qaeda terrorists we face in Iraq are part of the same enemy that attacked us on September the 11th, 2001. They claim that the organization called al-Qaeda in Iraq is an Iraqi phenomenon, that it's independent of Osama bin Laden and that it's not interested in attacking America."

But his rebuttals were sometimes not really responsive. Case in point:

"Some note that al Qaida in Iraq did not exist until the U.S. invasion -- and argue that it is a problem of our own making. The argument follows the flawed logic that terrorism is caused by American actions. Iraq is not the reason that the terrorists are at war with us. We were not in Iraq when the terrorists bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. We were not in Iraq when they attacked our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. We were not in Iraq when they attacked the USS Cole in 2000. And we were not in Iraq on September the 11th, 2001."

But critics are not saying that terrorism is America's fault, nor that the invasion of Iraq caused 9/11. They're saying that the way America fights terror matters. Good strategy can minimize terrorism; bad strategy can play right into the terrorist's hands.

The last couple of sentences sum-up the situation ... succinctly and "obviously". The fact that our leader won't address this 500 lb gorilla sitting in the corner of the room tells me he is:

1- insane,
2- more stupid than anyone can imagine,
3- a liar.

I vote 3 ... with a good dose of 2 thrown in...


Intellectual Insurgent said...

Less bitching, more solutions.

Reign of Reason said...

Well... this blog is more for letting me vent than for offering solution. Although I like to do that when i can think of one.

The solution is to get people to think critically about issues and their government... of course, that's out of reach for most of the population.

Capt. Fogg said...

You can't change people or reason them out of stupidity or depravity.

Impeachment is the answer and maybe impeachment and long prison sentences.

skip sievert said...

We should give Bush a medal for illuminating just how far from any kind of interesting reality our system is.

Abstract Concepts are composed of words—symbols in the mind—that are not reflections of real things in the physical world (democracy).
The minds of humans, in addition to being able to contain real concepts, can also entertain an apparently limitless number of empty symbols that represent nothing in the physical world at all.
This fact is one of the main props used to control people in our current system.
Over a period of time, philosophers have invented thousands of Abstract Concepts to intrigue the minds of humans.
Among these are Liberty, Freedom, Equality, Fraternity, Justice, Natural Rights, Survival of the Fittest, Right, Wrong, Morals, Ethics, and Sin.
People keep busy ever seeking to gain or avoid them, often ignoring the physical world. Try to perform an operation to prove the existence of any of these concepts in the physical world and see how far you get.

Bush should be held up as a shining example of the outcome of the type of system we use for our government.
People that think we can go back to some golden time of good government using this system are not approaching the problems we currently face creatively, but still using the conceptions of the 18th century, such as the formulations of Adam Smith in regard to how society is set up.
That approach dooms us to a further spiral toward destruction, and wastes and destroys more resources.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Alright, then no more accusations to me that I bitch and offer no solutions unless you are prepared to do the same.

Capt. Fogg said...

There is only one solution - impeachment and prosecution.

Waiting and hoping won't do anything but give them more time to build the 4th Reich.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

The 4th Reich is already built.

Reign of Reason said...

Its a mess... but not quite that bad yet.

They have declared their "right" to these extra-constitutional powers -- but there are still a few in congress who are trying to call them on it.

What's amazing is that a mass movement for impeachment (in congress) hasn't materialized.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

What's amazing is that a mass movement for impeachment (in congress) hasn't materialized.

No, what's amazing is that there are people who still think that the Dems might do something to stop the march to fascism.

The cowardly, spineless Dems voted for the PATRIOT Act, voted for the war, said impeachment was "off the table" (even though nuking Iran remains on the proverbial table), and you are surprised that those so-called leaders aren't going to stop Bush in his tracks?

The 2-party system is a sham. Bush is a dictator and the Congress is about as powerful (and relevant) as the Reichstag after Hitler became chancellor.

Reign of Reason said...

Everything you say is true. But it isn't the complete picture.

True: the dems are a bunch of spineless whips who are looking to hold onto their power at almost any cost.

However, there are few congressmen talking about impeachment again... even tho it won't ingraciate them with the voters.

Ron Paul (one critic in congress) doesn't have much of a chance of being elected to the Presidency -- but at least he is going around saying the right things. Maybe people we continue to wake up.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

And doesn't the fact that Ron Paul is a Republican only prove my point further? The Dems are useless or, rather, simply the left-wing of the grand old party.

skip sievert said...

R.o.R. You are dreaming.

mrsleep said...

Nothing wrong with Venting. We all fight our battles in our own way.