Sunday, April 13, 2008

The worst of crimes...

Not only did they protect pedophiles, the church threatened anyone who exposed the secret with excommunications. Remembering these are believers, it means you have an organization threatening HELL to those who try to PROTECT children.

Can you even imagine a more evil organization?

Religion IS evil...



clipped from www.cbsnews.com
(CBS) For decades, priests in this country abused children in parish after parish while their superiors covered it all up. Now it turns out the orders for this cover up were written in Rome at the highest levels of the Vatican.
The document, once "stored in the secret archives" of the Vatican, focuses on crimes initiated as part of the confessional relationship and what it calls the "worst crime": sexual assault committed by a priest" or "attempted by him with youths of either sex or with brute animals."
Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way...restrained by a perpetual silence...and everyone {including the alleged victim) ...is to observe the strictest secret, which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office...under the penalty of excommunication."

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9 comments:

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Not only did they protect pedophiles, the church threatened anyone who exposed the secret with excommunications. Remembering these are believers, it means you have an organization threatening HELL to those who try to PROTECT children.

Can you even imagine a more evil organization?


Hmmm...

Abu Ghraib comes to mind. Guantanamo comes to mind.
Agent Orange over Vietnam comes to mind.
Nagasaki & Hiroshima come to mind.
Death squads in Central America come to mind.

Yeah, I can imagine much more evil organizations than the church.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Oh, and this book would be worth a read -

http://www.sciy.org/blog/_archives/2008/4/7/3625320.html

Rick said...

The fact that the church has pedophiles is one 'evil' -- the greater is that it deliberately tried to hide the fact and threatened those who might have come foward... that's evil 2...

Evil three is the fact that a large portion of society gives a religious organization a special pass on this behavior: if it was perpetrated by a corporation, there'd be an outcry to linch the CEO and those responsible... Why don't we hear that about church cardinals who covered this up and kept pedophiles on the streets?

As for the comments regarding war -- war is just that: war.. it isn't gonna be pretty no matter how you look at it.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

Who cares what people are calling for? I'm not Catholic and you're not either. That's the business of Catholics to decide how to deal with the issue.

War is war...

Yeah, and there are organizations who benefit from war and, thus, promote it at every turn possible. How are your stocks in Bechtel and Halliburton doing these days?

Those are the evil people.

Rick said...

I care what people are calling for... and in what percentages.

Societies that don't decry these kinds of things, from un-necessary war to institutionalized pedophilia are populated with 'evil' ...

So yes, I care very much about what society thinks/calls for.

Intellectual Insurgent said...

There is no such thing as one monolithic "society". There are individuals who have different wants, needs, etc. So stop pretending that what the Pope says means anything to anyone but those who believe in him.

What the Catholic church does or doesn't do is for Catholics to figure out. They are free to belong to that church or not based on how they view the leadership. What's it to you?

Rick said...

You seem to think that large segments of the population have no sway in determining public policy that effect not only me, but you.

What's it to me?

1- My tax dollars go to support catholic charities that teach people condom use is evil even in places where HIV/AIDS is endemic...

2- My partner doesn't have the right to speak for me if I am seriously injured and unable to take care of myself.. I can get a legal doc drawn up, but others get such benefits (and others) for 'free' via marriage.

3- My rights to serve my country and receive benefits for my chosen spouse are abridged because of entrenched religious bigotry.

4- I cannot choose to end my own life if I become terminally ill because of the influence of these people.

5- I cannot smoke a joint because it's considered "morally" bad when all scientific evidence is to the contrary...

6- And a longer chain of causality, but ... My tax dollars support sending children to private schools where religious sectarianism is promoted -- which in turn helps to further (by perpetuating dogma) this period of madness where we elect nut-cases who believe god mandates our involvement in foreign crusades...

Surely you cannot be so blind as to deny the influence on society and our laws of groups of people who believe a certain way. All I am arguing is that people should base their world-view on rationality -- not superstition.

You're world view doesn't seem to even recognize "society" -- just a mass of individuals. Sorry - but we are social animals and some of the actions of the many -- or the few -- impact us all. ... and not only via government...

Intellectual Insurgent said...

1. Your tax dollars go to lots of heinous things, the least of which is the Catholic church.

2. Sure he does. It's called a power of attorney.

3. How are your "rights" abridged? You're in the military, right? I had no idea there is a "right" to discuss your sex life.

4. Sure you can. It's called a gun.

5. Sure you can. Civil disobedience would probably be the best way to serve your country than to go slaughter people in another country who did nothing to anyone.

6. And your tax dollars go to elect religious nut cases who would rather send you to die on behalf a nation whose sole grounds for existence is the most literal interpretation of the OT.

You're supporting everything you allegedly oppose.

Rick said...

Do you pay your taxes? So you support them too?

My bf doesn't have 1/100th the benefits of a military spouse. I need only enumerate a few to make my point: death benefit, base access privileges, medical insurance, etc.

Yeah -- I can kill myself to avoid a protracted illness... But how do you think blowing myself away with a gun will go over with the family as compared to having a doctor "put you to sleep" at your request?